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		<title>By: Céline</title>
		<link>http://www.bojates.com/words/2003/07/02/gay-marriage/comment-page-1#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Céline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Jemima, first the bit about the cats, then this, are you trying to tell Sarah something? Anyway, give us plenty of notice won&#039;t you so me and Beth have the time to have matching dresses made and all that. Oooh I haven&#039;t got any shoes either. And I&#039;ll need a handbag for the kleenex. Sorry gotta go shopping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Jemima, first the bit about the cats, then this, are you trying to tell Sarah something? Anyway, give us plenty of notice won&#8217;t you so me and Beth have the time to have matching dresses made and all that. Oooh I haven&#8217;t got any shoes either. And I&#8217;ll need a handbag for the kleenex. Sorry gotta go shopping.</p>
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		<title>By: Jemima</title>
		<link>http://www.bojates.com/words/2003/07/02/gay-marriage/comment-page-1#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Jemima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, fantastic. Now I&#039;m trying to work out if it would be worth it just to get you and Beth in matching frilly dresses!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, fantastic. Now I&#8217;m trying to work out if it would be worth it just to get you and Beth in matching frilly dresses!</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, enough about Alastair, he makes me go weak at the knees.

Secondly, legal rights for straight couples who are not married. Point is is that many co-habiting couples believe they have some form of legal rights due to common law marriage when in fact they dont and end up a croper. Also by creating a &#039;special&#039; ceremony for gay couples, then it could be seen to be highlighting differences, rather than the point of equality. Why not have the same for all couples committed to each other. 

Marriage is also still too often associated with religion, and hence another reason for suggestion that the civil partnership idea should be for all couples. 

and Finally, do you wear hats to these dos or DM boots?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, enough about Alastair, he makes me go weak at the knees.</p>
<p>Secondly, legal rights for straight couples who are not married. Point is is that many co-habiting couples believe they have some form of legal rights due to common law marriage when in fact they dont and end up a croper. Also by creating a &#8216;special&#8217; ceremony for gay couples, then it could be seen to be highlighting differences, rather than the point of equality. Why not have the same for all couples committed to each other. </p>
<p>Marriage is also still too often associated with religion, and hence another reason for suggestion that the civil partnership idea should be for all couples. </p>
<p>and Finally, do you wear hats to these dos or DM boots?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If some couples believe there is such a thing as &quot;common law&quot; marriage, the whole population should be educated, rather than a new law made to accommodate ignorance.

Maybe these couples are just sort of lazily committed, in that they want the perks without the responsibilities? That&#039;s pretty much what they get... in entering into a marriage/civil partnership you do become consciously aware of your responsibilities and rights and choose to accept these - why should people end up in a situation where they have these rights and responsibilities put upon them without having made that choice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If some couples believe there is such a thing as &#8220;common law&#8221; marriage, the whole population should be educated, rather than a new law made to accommodate ignorance.</p>
<p>Maybe these couples are just sort of lazily committed, in that they want the perks without the responsibilities? That&#8217;s pretty much what they get&#8230; in entering into a marriage/civil partnership you do become consciously aware of your responsibilities and rights and choose to accept these &#8211; why should people end up in a situation where they have these rights and responsibilities put upon them without having made that choice?</p>
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		<title>By: Céline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Céline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely agree with Paula and Sarah; I&#039;m not too happy about having a &#039;separate&#039; kind of marriage and I think maybe our legislators might want to have a look at the French PACS, which is a contract laying down not only the partners&#039; rights, but also their duties, and gives ALL unmarried couples greater legal security.

Paula, what&#039;s wrong with hats AND DM boots?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely agree with Paula and Sarah; I&#8217;m not too happy about having a &#8216;separate&#8217; kind of marriage and I think maybe our legislators might want to have a look at the French PACS, which is a contract laying down not only the partners&#8217; rights, but also their duties, and gives ALL unmarried couples greater legal security.</p>
<p>Paula, what&#8217;s wrong with hats AND DM boots?</p>
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		<title>By: Jemima</title>
		<link>http://www.bojates.com/words/2003/07/02/gay-marriage/comment-page-1#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Jemima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the strongest argument is that of equality, but that is actually likely to be the hardest fight to win. By allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry or by letting heterosexual couples sign up to a civil partnership you run into problems about undermining the institution of marriage. Political parties are always keen to advocate marriage as the building block of society. I personally think that this is a bizarre concern, given that civil partnerships are pretty much marriage by another name, but it makes it difficult to sell the idea to a large section of the populace. Once people are comfortable with the idea of gay and lesbian couples in committed relationships (something that will be more obvious through the civil partnership) then this hang-up on marriage will become more firmly the preserve of the church, rather than the state, and it&#039;s likely that we can move to a scheme that works for all, regardless of sexual orientation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the strongest argument is that of equality, but that is actually likely to be the hardest fight to win. By allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry or by letting heterosexual couples sign up to a civil partnership you run into problems about undermining the institution of marriage. Political parties are always keen to advocate marriage as the building block of society. I personally think that this is a bizarre concern, given that civil partnerships are pretty much marriage by another name, but it makes it difficult to sell the idea to a large section of the populace. Once people are comfortable with the idea of gay and lesbian couples in committed relationships (something that will be more obvious through the civil partnership) then this hang-up on marriage will become more firmly the preserve of the church, rather than the state, and it&#8217;s likely that we can move to a scheme that works for all, regardless of sexual orientation.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, this civil partnership ceremony, its going to be a pretty bizarre affair, what with us all wearing hats, DM boots, and celine and beth wearing matching dresses, and handbags!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, this civil partnership ceremony, its going to be a pretty bizarre affair, what with us all wearing hats, DM boots, and celine and beth wearing matching dresses, and handbags!</p>
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		<title>By: Jemima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jemima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I remember rightly Paula, you never had a problem with my DM boots...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember rightly Paula, you never had a problem with my DM boots&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: evelyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>evelyn</dc:creator>
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		<description>I like the non-marriage civil partnership, and I would like it to be open to heterosexual couples. I know marriage, at least from a western point of view, didn&#039;t actually start out as a religious thing, but over the last two thousand years it has become too associated with religion and gender inequality, and personal limitations. I think there are a lot of heterosexual couples who would like to have a legal commitment, but don&#039;t want to be part of something called &#039;marriage&#039; when &#039;religious&#039; people are still calling on the law to recognise its &#039;sanctity&#039;. I was one of those people. I only got married when legal reasons forced me to. If I could get my legal relationship converted to a civil one I would.

May seem strange and nitpicking, but I don&#039;t want my relationship defined by the religious, and unfortunately the modern legal marriage still is. I think they should abolish marriage as a legal definition and replace it with &#039;civil partnership&#039; open to heterosexual and homosexual couples. People who feel a religious need to be &#039;married&#039; can do so with their religious institution but it is a private thing not offering any greater or lesser legal recognition
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the non-marriage civil partnership, and I would like it to be open to heterosexual couples. I know marriage, at least from a western point of view, didn&#8217;t actually start out as a religious thing, but over the last two thousand years it has become too associated with religion and gender inequality, and personal limitations. I think there are a lot of heterosexual couples who would like to have a legal commitment, but don&#8217;t want to be part of something called &#8216;marriage&#8217; when &#8216;religious&#8217; people are still calling on the law to recognise its &#8216;sanctity&#8217;. I was one of those people. I only got married when legal reasons forced me to. If I could get my legal relationship converted to a civil one I would.</p>
<p>May seem strange and nitpicking, but I don&#8217;t want my relationship defined by the religious, and unfortunately the modern legal marriage still is. I think they should abolish marriage as a legal definition and replace it with &#8216;civil partnership&#8217; open to heterosexual and homosexual couples. People who feel a religious need to be &#8216;married&#8217; can do so with their religious institution but it is a private thing not offering any greater or lesser legal recognition</p>
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